Life After Ministry

God Doesn't Waste Pain (featuring Dillon Fawcett)

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Summary
In this episode of the "Life After Ministry" podcast, Dillon Fawcett candidly shares his unique journey, transitioning from pastoral ministry and his entry point into the world of mental health counseling. With honesty and vulnerability, Dillon opens up about the ups and downs he experienced, the transitions that challenged him, and the invaluable lessons he's learned. His story is a powerful testament to the truth that life doesn't end after ministry – in fact, it can take on new, meaningful forms. Dillon's insights remind us that our pain and struggles are not in vain - they're instruments used by God to shape and refine us.
Takeaways
Post-Ministry Life: Transitioning out of ministry is challenging, yet it opens the door to new beginnings and avenues of purpose.
Transformative Pain: Our struggles and pain can be the very experiences that catalyze personal growth and transformation.
God's Refinement: God is intimately involved in our lives, using our challenges to refine our hearts and align us with His purpose.
Ministry in Many Forms: Ministry isn't confined to the pulpit – avenues like counseling can be just as impactful in serving and guiding others.
Joy and Trust in God: Finding joy and purpose in life's next chapter hinges on gratitude and a deep trust in God's overarching plan.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Dillon's Background03:01 - Exploring Woodworking and Business Ventures07:24 - Reflections on Pastoral Ministry10:46 - The Emotional Landscape of Transitioning Out of Ministry15:13 - Discovering Life and Purpose After Ministry19:56 - Wilderness Lessons: Growth Amidst Challenges22:44 - Supporting Others Facing Similar Transitions26:06 - Unearthing Joy and Purpose in New Paths29:20 - Continuing the Ministry Journey through Counseling30:35 - Upcoming Projects and Podcast Plans31:08 - Conclusion: Embracing the Journey Ahead

Cultivating Bravery In Transition (featuring BrianJames & Michelle McMahon)

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Summary
This conversation explores the experiences of Brian James and Michelle McMahon as they transitioned out of vocational ministry and created safe spaces for pastors and church leaders. They discuss the challenges of being in ministry, the importance of vulnerability and authenticity, and the need for safe and supportive communities.
The conversation also touches on the role of female pastors and the redefinition of church. Overall, the discussion highlights the importance of cultivating trust and creating spaces where pastors can be brave and find healing.
They discuss the importance of connection and how Church Well Co helps pastors and ministers overcome isolation and the concept of bravery and how it can foster safety and support within communities.
Takeaways
Transitions out of vocational ministry can be challenging and painful, but they can also lead to new opportunities for growth and healing.
Creating safe spaces for pastors and church leaders is crucial for their well-being and the health of the church community.
Vulnerability and authenticity are essential in building trust and deepening relationships.
The role of female pastors in the church is important and should be valued and supported.
Church Well Co offers virtual groups and communities for pastors and ministers to overcome isolation.
Isolation is not limited to geographical boundaries, and Church Well Co also supports missionaries around the world.
Engaging bravely with others can create a sense of safety and trust.
Taking small steps of bravery can lead to meaningful connections and support.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Background
01:32 - Entering Ministry
03:07 - Transitions and Changes
04:17 - Personal Transitions Out of Ministry
07:03 - Creating Safe Spaces
10:49 - The Role of Female Pastors
12:19 - Redefining Church
14:27 - Creating Safe Spaces in the Church
20:13 - Life After Vocational Ministry
26:58 - Finding Purpose and Relevance
31:19 - Creating Safe Spaces for Pastors
36:20 - Cultivating Safety and Trust
42:17 - Hope for Those Longing for Authentic Relationships
45:57 - Connecting with Church Well Co
46:16 - Virtual Groups and Isolation
47:40 - Engaging Bravely

Transitions In The African American Church (featuring J. Ricardo Smith)

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Summary
In this episode, Matt Davis interviews J. Ricardo Smith at the Classic City Conference in Athens, Georgia. They discuss the purpose and origins of the conference, the state of the black church post-COVID, the challenges of identity and transition in ministry, finding hope and help in difficult seasons, planning for the future of the conference, and the importance of mental health in ministry. J. Ricardo Smith shares his insights and experiences, emphasizing the need for community and support in pastoral leadership.
Takeaways
The Classic City Conference was created to provide resources and solutions for small to mid-sized church pastors.
The COVID-19 pandemic had both positive and negative impacts on the black church, highlighting the need for shared leadership and addressing issues of identity and worth.
Pastors need to recognize their value and worth outside of their role as a senior pastor and be open to transitions and new seasons in ministry.
Finding hope and help in difficult seasons of ministry requires community, support, and access to resources like counseling and therapy.
The Classic City Conference aims to offer ongoing support and resources beyond the annual event, helping pastors navigate the challenges of ministry.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction to the Classic City Conference
04:04 - The State of the Black Church
08:23 - Identity and Transition in Ministry
10:12 - Finding Hope and Help in Ministry
12:02 - Planning for the Future of the Conference
14:19 - The Importance of Mental Health in Ministry
17:07 - Connecting with J. Ricardo Smith and Classic City Conference

Refined By The Fire(d) (featuring Kyle & Maria Isabelli)

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Summary
Kyle and Maria Isabelli share their experience of being fired from their church ministry and the emotional impact it had on them. They discuss the process of being let go, the loss they felt, and the journey of healing and finding purpose again. Kyle wrote a book titled 'Refined by the Fired' to help others who have gone through similar experiences. They emphasize the importance of clear expectations and communication in ministry and the need for empathy and shepherding in leadership roles. Despite the challenges, they remain committed to ministry and continue to serve in their new roles.
Takeaways
Being fired from a church ministry can be a deeply emotional and challenging experience, resulting in a sense of loss and grief.
Clear expectations and communication are crucial in ministry to avoid misunderstandings and conflicts.
Going through the process of being fired can lead to personal growth, empathy, and a deeper understanding of the needs of staff and ministry workers.
Finding purpose and healing after being fired requires reflection, processing pain, and relying on God's guidance and direction.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Background01:00 - Transition into Ministry03:44 - The Call to Ministry05:40 - Transition Out of Ministry07:49 - The Process of Being Let Go09:49 - Emotional Impact and Loss12:09 - Reflecting on the Experience14:53 - Writing the Book25:29 - Continuing in Ministry30:13 - Book Release and Conclusion

What Have We Learned? (Season One Recap)

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Summary
As we wrap up an incredible first season of the "Life After Ministry" podcast, join us, Matt and Marilee Davis, in reflecting on the profound insights and heartwarming stories we've encountered. This journey hasn't just been about sharing stories - it's been a path of personal growth and unexpected joy for us too. Here are some pivotal takeaways that have resonated not just with our listeners, but deeply within our own lives:
Embracing the Darkness in Transitions: One of the most powerful themes this season has been about leaning into the challenging emotions that accompany pastoral transitions. It's in acknowledging and embracing this darkness that many find transformation and growth.
The Wilderness Season: We've talked about this being a necessary phase. It's in these moments of seeming solitude that reliance on God becomes paramount and where profound spiritual growth occurs.
Surrender and Trust: The act of letting go and trusting in God's plan, though scary, is a crucial step in navigating these transitions.
Paying it Forward: Our guests have shared how their experiences have equipped them to serve others in their new ministries, turning their challenges into opportunities for giving back.
Breaking Isolation: Through sharing their stories, our guests have brought light to the often-isolated path that many pastors walk during transitions, offering hope and a sense of community.
Endurance and Support: The journey through pastoral transition is not a sprint but a marathon, requiring endurance, patience, and a strong support system.
Church's Role in Transition: We looked into the responsibility of churches to provide more than just spiritual guidance during these times but also companionship, direction, and practical help.
Honoring Dignity in Transition: Exiting ministry roles can be filled with challenges, but there are compassionate ways to honor people's dignity throughout the process.
Gratitude and Encouragement: Lastly, the importance of expressing gratitude and encouragement to pastors and church leaders cannot be overstated. It's crucial in building a supportive and understanding community.
We've learned so much and have been deeply moved by the stories of resilience and faith. Thank you for joining us on this path. As we look forward to Season Two, let's continue to support and uplift each other, remembering that every transition can lead to a beautiful new beginning.
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When Heartbreak Redefines Ministry (featuring Clayton Stenson)

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Summary
Clayton Stenson shares his journey of transitioning from ministry to a new career and finding hope and purpose in life after ministry. He discusses his background in ministry, the challenges he faced, and the support he received during a difficult time of grief and loss. Clayton also highlights the transferable skills he gained from his ministry experience and how they have helped him succeed in his current role. He encourages others who are going through similar transitions to seek support and embrace new opportunities.
Takeaways
Transitioning from ministry to a new career can be challenging but also rewarding.
Grief and loss can have a significant impact on one's life and ministry.
Transferable skills gained from ministry, such as leadership, vision casting, and building systems, can be valuable in other professions.
Finding support and community during times of transition is crucial for healing and growth.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
03:37 Entering Ministry
08:25 Leaving Ministry
12:11 Transitioning to a New Career
18:11 Transferable Skills from Ministry
21:30 Identity and Perspective
23:42 Encouragement and Hope
24:31 Reaching Out for Support
25:23 Conclusion
Clayton Stenson is an innovator in the business coaching space. He is a former Pastor who made the shift to the marketplace 8 years ago. An operations expert, Clayton works with faith-driven construction and trades companies with $5-15 million in revenue that have hit a ceiling. He comes alongside the visionary owner and their leadership team to help them make their vision a reality. Often these visionaries are frustrated, tired, and are feeling discouraged that their business may never be able to run without them. They usually have made some progress toward this goal, but they need some help to get over the hump. Clayton helps them either through coaching or through fractional services.
Clayton has also developed a powerful program to help visionaries and their second-in-commands find unity and leverage their opposite skill sets to develop the company that they dream of. The two of them have an incredible opportunity to work together, but because they are so different, they can have a hard time getting and staying on the same page. Clayton's Unity Rock Program is proven to get the most out of their Visionary/Second-in-Command relationship.
Connect with Clayton at:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/theunityguide/

A Calling Greater Than Ministry (featuring Thom Van Dycke)

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Summary
Tom Dyke shares his journey from ministry to starting his own business. He discusses his background in Manitoba, Canada, and his various roles in ministry, including being a youth pastor and overseeing family ministries. Tom initiated his departure from ministry due to challenges within the church and found a new calling in marketing and storytelling. He shares his financial success in his new business and challenges the poverty mindset often associated with pastors. Tom emphasizes the importance of family and creating lasting memories, and how his relationship with money has evolved. He also discusses how his pastoral skills continue to impact his interactions in the business world.
Takeaways
There is life after ministry, and it can be fulfilling and successful.
Transitioning from ministry to a new career or business requires adaptability and a willingness to learn new skills.
Having a healthy relationship with money is important, and pastors should not feel guilty about financial success.
Identifying and pursuing one's true calling and purpose can provide a sense of fulfillment and guide career decisions.
Pastoral skills, such as building relationships and listening, can be valuable in various professional settings.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
01:11 Living in Manitoba, Canada
02:11 Roles in Ministry
04:33 Last Day in Ministry
08:47 Transition to Business
12:30 Financial Perspective and Relationship with Money
16:09 Calling and Purpose
20:01 Life After Ministry and Creating Memories
22:32 Incorporating Pastoral Skills in Business
27:01 Conclusion: Life After Ministry is Good
Thom Van Dycke fractional Chief Growth Officer for solopreneurs. After 19 years as a pastor, he launched his business at the height of the pandemic in 2020 and grew it to six figures in the first year. He believes that to truly engage with our ideal audience we need to leverage the power of storytelling.
Thom is married to Tara and they have 7 children. They are both advocates for foster and adoption and have welcomed 30 foster children into their home since 2011.
Connect with Thom at:
www.thomvandycke.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thom-van-dycke/
StoryBrand: https://marketingmadesimple.com/ThomVanDycke

Grieving Our Own Losses (featuring Dan Broyles)

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Summary:
In this episode, Pastor Dan Broyles discusses the challenges pastors face when seeking counseling and the importance of grieving their own losses. He also highlights the need for pastors to connect with others outside their church community and provides hope for those in times of transition.
Our guest, Dan Broyles, wears two significant hats – that of a Care Pastor and a licensed Christian therapist. Known for his profound ability to offer solace, Dan is the go-to person for pastors across the region seeking guidance and support.
In this episode, we dive into a less-discussed aspect of pastoral life: the accumulation of losses that ministry leaders endure. From the emotional weight of their congregants' struggles to their own personal challenges, pastors carry a heavy load. Dan emphasizes the crucial yet often neglected practice of grieving one's own losses. He explains the importance of acknowledging and processing these experiences, not just for the health of the pastor but for the well-being of their ministry.
Dan's insights shed light on why self-care isn't just advisable for pastors – it's essential. He discusses why counseling isn’t just for their congregation but is a vital resource for pastors themselves. With his unique perspective as both a pastor and a therapist, Dan offers invaluable advice on navigating the emotional toll of ministry while maintaining personal and spiritual health.
To learn more about Dan Broyles' work and access resources for pastoral care, visit SagaCenter.org and Valencia Hills Community Church located about an hour north of downtown Los Angeles.
Takeaways:
Pastors often struggle to seek counseling within their own church community due to fear of judgment or misunderstanding.
Grieving one's own losses is an essential part of the pastoral journey, but many pastors neglect this process.
Pastors can find support and understanding by connecting with other pastors who have experienced similar challenges.
It is important for pastors to prioritize their own needs and seek connections outside their church community.
Chapters
00:00 - Seeking Counseling in the Church
03:07 - The Role of a Pastor and Therapist
05:26 - Experiencing a Transition in Ministry
07:51 - The Difficulty of Grieving in Ministry
10:44 - Pastors Seeking Help from Other Pastors
13:04 - Providing Hope in Times of Transition
15:30 - The Loyalty Issue in Pastoral Transitions
17:25 - The Importance of Connecting Outside the Church
19:18 - Closing Remarks